The importance of being Ernst
Edzard Ernst, Professor of Complementary Medicine, has always struck me as a sweet and mild-mannered German teddy bear of a man, yet the quacks hate him with a passion that makes them look even uglier than they are already. It’s no longer a surprise to me that quacks ignore the science and prefer instead to vilify their critics – they don’t have many proper arguments, after all. But it was a bit of surprise that someone sent me a link to a post on the ironically named ‘Truth Will Out’ blog entitled, Edzard Ernst is a fake-3. As that post is a particularly vacuous attempt at character assassination, I assume it was sent to me so I could give it the treatment it deserves.
The writer is one Chris Holmes, a hypnotherapist and author of a self-published book about nicotine. Edzard evidently winds Chris up so much that he spent some 2,000 words (and that just on part 3) huffing with resentment and pushing a monstrously fallacious argument, which amounts to this:
P1. To be a professor, you must be a “qualified expert”;
P2. To be a qualified expert you must have professional experience as a practitioner;
P3. There is nothing that says Edzard has ever been a professional CAM practitioner;
C1. Therefore Edzard shouldn’t be a Professor of Complementary Medicine.
I’m sure anyone who can get all the parts of their brain working together as a team, can agree with P1 and can see that P2 is arrant nonsense; it follows that P3 – whether true or not – is irrelevant and that the conclusion and all the bluster that accompanies it is false. (In fact, in his book Edzard mentions that he is “an insider who practised medicine for many years, including some alternative therapies,” but this doesn’t suit Chris Holmes’s purpose so he disregards it. If he can’t find the hard evidence with Google, then it can’t be true.)
To anyone who can’t see that P2 is nonsense, I guess with a big weary sigh that I’ll have to spell it out for you. First, here’s a question: do you think that a Professor of Theology or of Comparative Religion isn’t properly qualified unless he’s done a stint as a bloody vicar?
Here’s Chris Holmes’ killer argument:
The least they would require, if they were looking to find the ideal candidate for a Professor of History – for example – was that the person was at least an historian. Any Chair in the field of Mathematics, naturally you are looking for a mathematician.
The fundamental flaw in Chris’s argument lies with his unstated premise that CAM is an academic discipline. History, mathematics, philosophy, and all the various branches of the biomedical sciences are established academic disciplines. Complementary medicine – like religion – is not. Complementary medicines – like other quasi-religious beliefs and practices – are phenomena to be investigated academically. This is why the Chair was created in the first place and why the Peninsula Medical School’s Department of Complementary Medicine’s stated objectives are:
• To conduct rigorous, inter-disciplinary and international collaborative research into the efficacy, safety and costs of complementary medicine.
• To be neither promotional nor derogatory but to struggle for objectivity.
• To promote analytical thinking in this area.
Now, given that the stated objectives are neither to teach the practice of nor to deliver any CAM therapy but, rather, to investigate scientifically whether they are of any benefit, what real advantage would clinical experience of delivering, say, acupuncture, bring to the role? Is the idea that an acupuncturist would be better able to design clinical trials or survey systematic reviews better than somebody who only held a Chair in a biomedical science? Given their penchant for cherry-picking poor quality trials, I’d say the idea that your typical quack can meet the all-important requirement of objectivity, is a pretty much a non-starter. As for the notion that a CAM qualification equips one to conduct scientific research into any CAM therapy…anyone who’s read any of David Colqhoun’s posts exposing the content of these courses, will find that suggestion screamingly funny.
As Edzard himself says, good quality evidence can only be obtained if
well-trained scientists (rather than CAM enthusiasts with a mere veneer of science to hide their biases) conduct the research.
The suggestion that, just as CAM therapies should be delivered by professional CAM therapists, so scientific research should be left to professional scientists, might not seem particularly controversial but it sent Chris Holmes scurrying for the stupid pills. Here’s his response:
Oh, really? That’s assuming that even well-trained scientists might lose their scientific objectivity if they have any enthusiasm for what they are studying, is it? Tell that to NASA. Or is it just a swipe at CAM enthusiasts particularly, a sort of Catch 22 that if you are a CAM enthusiast you cannot possibly be a well-trained scientist?
(I know – the stupid, it burns!)
No, Chris, it isn’t assuming that “well-trained scientists might lose their scientific objectivity”. The assumption is that well-trained scientists will retain their objectivity, whatever their enthusiasms. Edzard neither states nor implies that a CAM enthusiast can’t be a well-trained scientist; he will have read studies lead by such people and perhaps marvelled at how even well-trained scientists can conduct trials that are badly methodologically flawed. (Fortunately, most well-trained scientists understand the need for replication and peer review and some are even prepared to admit sometimes that they get things wrong, as did Klaus Linde, whose 1997 homeopathy meta-analysis contains the most cherry-picked sentence in the history of homeoquackery, much to Linde’s dismay.)
Actually Chris Holmes goes further than decrying Edzard’s supposed lack of qualification. On Planet Holmes, Edzard is dismissed as “a pathological skeptic with a mere veneer of scientific objectivity,” and bewails his “17 years of over-zealous CAM-bashing posing as objective scientific enquiry using the badge of the university to give it credibility”.
It’s amazing how many people there are shrieking with indignation at what must be the most transparently stupid canard their tiny minds can come up with: ‘Altmed works and if the science doesn’t show that it’s work, the science is wrong and the scientist biased.’ As there is no danger of Chris Holmes letting us in on which of Edzard’s hundreds of papers he thinks isn’t objective and how it fails to be so, his unflattering description of Edzard can be disregarded as the mindless rant of an embittered ignoramus who wouldn’t recognise scientific objectivity if it sat on his face and sang Hello Dolly.
What I find fascinating are the more inventive canards people come up with in order to smear the character and impugn the motives of Edzard and of skeptics in general. First Chris gives us the usual one that
he doesn’t give a toss about the public, that is just a pose. He is, and always has been attacking Complementary Medicine with all the relentless determination of the self-righteous zealot, whilst turning a blind eye to all the sufferings and damage caused by so-called “evidence-based” medicines.
To this Chris adds his own eccentric twist
if Ernst really did have public interest at heart, and simply didn’t want valuable resources spent on things that (he says) don’t work, then he would happily agree with the Truth Will Out call for Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) to be dropped by the NHS on the grounds that the long-term results are clearly no better than placebo (see Evidence section of this site).
Chris Holmes doesn’t have a clue what Edzard thinks or knows about NRT yet he proclaims that Edzard
seems quite happy for valuable resources to be squandered on drug-company products that don’t work, kill people or half-kill them..(which) seriously undermines Ernst’s credibility”.
I’ve lost count of the number of times the ‘no credibility’ ad hominem has been flung at just about every high profile skeptic by just about every no-profile quack. Undermines his credibility in the eyes of whom? Some jumped up quack of a nicotine-denialist? I’m sure we’ll all lose loads of sleep over that.
The argument that ‘if you don’t speak out about the evils of orthodox medicine, you don’t care about the public good’, is as common as crabgrass even though it’s a red herring repeated by those who really don’t care about the public good. Let’s face it, if they cared about the public’s well-being, they wouldn’t be attacking people who expose worthless therapies and the charlatans who promote them and they wouldn’t be defending therapies that that are biologically implausible and scientifically unsupported.
I’m reminded of the bunch of desperado chirotrolls who hang around Zeno’s blog whining that if Zeno was really motivated by concern for the public, he would be attacking osteopaths as well! Here’s my favourite:
The “osteopathic lesion”sounds much like subluxation to me…This goes to show how vexatious this attack on the chiropractors really is and begs the question why was osteopathy never mentioned in Singh’s article in the guardian,why did he choose to single out the chiropractors?
Is there a link between Singh, Ernst and the osteopaths (or is too much of a conspiracy theory idea)?
The answer, of course, is that that Simon’s article was written for the ‘chiropractic awareness week’, which was an initiative of the British Chiropractic Association. But don’t you just love the idea of Simon and Edzard being in cahoots with osteopaths to discredit chiros? LMAO! Equally revealing are the nasty comments directed at Zeno by several chiros who repeatedly accuse him of sycophancy, bigotry and discrimination because he’s currently focussing on the quacks whose representative body decided to make a lot of noise and draw attention to themselves, rather than having a go at some other bunch that were content to fly under the radar. In order not to be accused of bigotry and discrimination, Zeno should be a broad-minded democrat and attack everyone equally, it seems.
Which brings me back to Chris Holme’s blog post and his motives in writing it. The post is a load of cobblers and I suspect Chris Holmes knows it is and that’s why he resorts to hyperbole and falsehood: puff out a thick enough smokescreen and you’ll divert attention from the painful fact that 17 years of academic research funded by someone who was keenly interested in CAM has unearthed negligible benefits. And from the equally painful facts that Edzard co-authored a fascinating and accessible book about it and that his co-author, Simon Singh, has had the temerity to stand up to a bunch of quacks aka the British Chiropractic Association, who thought they could bully him into shutting up, but who have instead succeeded far better than Simon did in attracting public attention to the bogus claims made by their members.
It must be so, so scary for those quacks who have for years been happily promoting bogus therapies for which there isn’t a jot of evidence to see what is happening to chiropractic and homeopathy in this country – the phrase “loss of credibility” springs to mind, funnily enough. But what quacks like these are too stupid to see is that ignoring the totality of available evidence while attacking the character and motives of their critics, doesn’t do much for their credibility either.

“Head of Human Resources of a major legal firm” said “…a resounding success – we sought feedback from all who have attended and the results have been phenomenal…We have received many notes of thanks from employees who claim the session to have been a life-changing experience.”
Wow! I’m converted! All those high-powered legal minds can’t be wrong! Surely?
But can you just explain just one thing for me? Why should I take the results of a customer satisfaction survey and testimonials and throw out the results of a review of independent clinical trials?
I frequently do training for a large charity and I usually get ‘excellent’ ticked on the feedback forms and all sorts of praise that the participants now know major things they didn’t previously and that that is going to change the way they view the world and their work. However, none of that means that what I taught them was true or valid. I could have been spouting utter garbage to them. What makes you think your feedback is any different?
“you continue to hold to the daft position that the public are more endangered by CAM therapies than by pharmaceuticals. Which is certainly not true.”
As I have never said anything of the kind, I’d thank you not to put words in my mouth.
“Wouldn’t you be, if your track record was already like that when you’d only been a hypnotherapist for a couple of years, and this guy is telling the smokers of the world not to bother with hypnotherapy?”
I’m sure I would be. That’s what I mean by being so emotionally attached to a therapy that you’ll shoot the messenger, as EE put it. Did you expect him to lie about the results of clinical trials?
Skepticat: Do you think we can’t recognise a cop out when we see one? Ernst said:
“i don’t need to justify anything.my qualifications were seen by my uni and they employed me presumably because they were more convincing than the ones of the other candidates.”
Then he took his ball and went home. So Skepticat said:
“It’s about time this fallacious argument that Edzard wasn’t suitably qualified for this particular post was kicked to the kerb.”
Yeah, I can see why you would prefer that! We asked for evidence. We got hearsay. Not good enough, and here’s why it matters: No-one has ever suggested to me that in all this wonderful and supposedly adequate hands-on experience of homeopathy, spinal manipulation etc that Ernst allegedly had which made him “eminently qualified” to be the world’s first Prof of CAM, that he ever did any hypnotherapy or studied it. Yet his post gives him a kind of unique credibility to make pronouncements about hypnotherapy too, based on his analysis of studies investigating that. So when Zeno said:
“Why should I take the results of a customer satisfaction survey and testimonials and throw out the results of a review of independent clinical trials?”
A review of trials is selective, accepting one trial as useful or valid whilst rejecting another, and one of the things the reviewer would be looking at is methodology. I could easily assess the methodology of ten different trials that were investigating hypnotherapy and tell you in advance which ones were likely to result in impressive successes and which would not. That is because I’m a hypnotherapist with a decade of practical experience and I would know from that experience and my understanding of exactly how hypnotherapy works what constitutes a suitable trial and what does not. Ernst doesn’t. I suspect he knows no more about hypnotherapy in reality than you do, and indeed so far no-one has suggested that he does, either in terms of training or practice.
So how would he have any idea what was a good trial and what was a bad trial? When I said to him that I bet he couldn’t answer three straightforward questions on hypnotherapy, did the World’s Greatest Expert on Complementary Medicine say: “Try me”?
Zeno said: “I frequently do training for a large charity and I usually get ‘excellent’ ticked on the feedback forms and all sorts of praise that the participants now know major things they didn’t previously and that that is going to change the way they view the world and their work. However, none of that means that what I taught them was true or valid. I could have been spouting utter garbage to them. What makes you think your feedback is any different?”
Two reasons: Firstly, you’re talking about training, which doesn’t have to show any immediate or ongoing results. After the hypnotherapy session, the client is either smoking or they aren’t. Either still terrified of flying or they aren’t. Either losing weight or they’re not. They weren’t giving feedback to ME over what they thought of the session itself as an experience! The company were monitoring the ongoing results regularly over two and a half years, and the word THEY decided to use to sum up the consistent results was not merely “excellent”, it was “phenomenal”. This was a programme that they were only intending to run for a week! It ran on and on because of the success, and that is totally different from what you’re talking about. Do you think for a moment that if Ernst was right about hypnotherapy being no good for smoking cessation none of these people would have noticed that ‘scientific fact’ over that length of time?
Also, after I pulled the plug on that project because I was sick of travelling from Stockport to Bolton on a regular basis, because it’s not exactly around the corner, some of those people continued to travel to Stockport to see me at my own offices here in the town centre. As did members of their families and friends.
Once again though, I wasn’t saying this was scientific proof of anything, I was responding to the “why are you so annoyed with Edzard” question. And it is because he is spreading misinformation that could have a bearing on real survival rates because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about (with hypnotherapy at least) and that is going to seriously hinder his ability to select suitable trial evidence. And that’s just my very first point about trials, not the only problem with them.
Chris,
Your query about Edzard’s qualification has been answered numerous times already and your constantly banging on about it is, frankly, pathetic. Evidently you want him to provide you with some kind of certification that will prove to your satisfaction that he is qualified to meet your idea of what a Professor of Complementary Medicine’s job description should look like. You are not listening to anyone and you are clearly far too emotionally involved in hypnotherapy to accept that you can be wrong about anything you say. I’m really not prepared to waste another minute of my time engaging with you. I consider this discussion closed.
Ok, I posted a reply to Zeno’s last post later that day on the 3rd… is it waiting for moderation or am I being silenced now?
Neither. Your reply to Zeno is visible in your post of Saturday 03 April 2010 at 5:07 PM.
It has just appeared today. I’ve been checking the blog for it every day since I wrote it, this is the first day it has surfaced.
I’m not clear whether you mean the entire post, the first half of which is directed at me, or just the second half of the post, which is a reply to Zeno – you mentioned a reply to Zeno as if you thought you’d done this in a separate post. Either way, the entire post has been visible to everyone else since you posted it so there would seem to be something up with your pc.
No, I can confirm that it’s been there at least since Monday (that’s when I read it).
“Your query about Edzard’s qualification has been answered numerous times already and your constantly banging on about it is, frankly, pathetic.”
Rubbish. The query has been EVADED over and over again. Ernst has ducked out of this question because he knows that he never had any true expertise in any CAM discipline… but then he never thought he needed any and neither do any of the cynics here who falsely refer to themselves as skeptics. You are WRONG for precisely the reason I expressed above, i.e.
“A review of trials is selective, accepting one trial as useful or valid whilst rejecting another, and one of the things the reviewer would be looking at is methodology. I could easily assess the methodology of ten different trials that were investigating hypnotherapy and tell you in advance which ones were likely to result in impressive successes and which would not. That is because I’m a hypnotherapist with a decade of practical experience and I would know from that experience and my understanding of exactly how hypnotherapy works what constitutes a suitable trial and what does not. Ernst doesn’t. I suspect he knows no more about hypnotherapy in reality than you do, and indeed so far no-one has suggested that he does, either in terms of training or practice.
So how would he have any idea what was a good trial and what was a bad trial? When I said to him that I bet he couldn’t answer three straightforward questions on hypnotherapy, did the World’s Greatest Expert on Complementary Medicine say: “Try me”?”
That was also in answer to Zeno’s question, but of course both of you ignored the point, which is what you always do when any fair point is made. Instead you resorted to the utterly ridiculous suggestion that my anger about published misinformation about my profession automatically disqualifies me from rational debate:
“You are not listening to anyone and you are clearly far too emotionally involved in hypnotherapy to accept that you can be wrong about anything you say. I’m really not prepared to waste another minute of my time engaging with you. I consider this discussion closed.”
Do you realise that by using that dismissive tactic you are doing exactly what men used to do to avoid engaging with the arguments women were making about inequality when they accused them of being ‘hysterical’? A pathetic move which completely goes against the sentiments you express elsewhere on your blog.
For Ernst to suggest that he is simply a “messenger” is hilarious. All scientific publications are simply “truth”, are they? You lot are like the followers of a cult leader! Blind and unquestioning, and all critics are blasphemers. Ha! You haven’t an original thought between the lot of you.
My criticisms of Edzard Ernst’s project will NOT end here, this will continue on the Truth Will Out blog. I suggest you change the name of this blog to Cynicat. Skeptics have open minds.
I’m afraid I can’t be bothered to read past the first three lines, Chris. The question has not been evaded, it has been answered. It obviously isn’t an answer that you like but that doesn’t alter the truth of the matter, which is that Edzard Ernst is more than adequately qualified for the post in question.
I repeat that I consider the discussion closed. You are welcome to keep ranting on and on like a creature possessed but I won’t be reading any more of your comments.
CH said
“…both of you ignored the point, which is what you always do when any fair point is made.”
The point wasn’t ignored, as Scepticat said, you just don’t like the answer which has been made repeatedly i.e. that you don’t need to be a therapist to subject a therapy to a scientific investigation, you need to be a scientist. You obviously disagree and that’s your prerogative but just reapeating the same old argument isn’t going to change anyone’s minds.
“Do you realise that by using that dismissive tactic you are doing exactly what men used to do to avoid engaging with the arguments women were making about inequality when they accused them of being ‘hysterical’? A pathetic move which completely goes against the sentiments you express elsewhere on your blog.”
You weren’t dismissed, you got very full responses. Your analogy is a piece of nonsense.
“For Ernst to suggest that he is simply a “messenger” is hilarious. All scientific publications are simply “truth”, are they?”
All scientific papers do is report the results of scientific investigations. They don’t talk about facts or truths. They use phrases like “the available evidence doesn’t support the hypothesis”.
You don’t help your case by getting abusive just because you can’t get anyone to see things your way.
@Skepticat
You may want read CH’s post and extract the abuse for your quackolades column
I think many of you wankers have too much time on your hands
@ John
And?
I’m sure it’s very kind of you to drop by and give us your considered opinion but if what I or anyone else says here is so difficult for you to argue against that all you can manage is drive-by abuse, may I respectfully suggest that your own time would be better spent trying to catch up on an education?
Next Chris will assert that to be a Qualified Detective, one must have committed at least murder.
Chris, you may not like the answers you received, but still they’re there. Let’s face it, the only answer you’d accept would be one that confirms your beliefs. I guess what you said about sceptics is actually a good depiction of yourself:
“Blind and unquestioning, and all critics are blasphemers.”
Michael: Don’t be silly. The point I am making is quite straightforward, but it might not apply to all therapies. I am speaking as an experienced practitioner of one particular kind of therapy – hypnotherapy – which is so universally misunderstood in the first place that if any scientist were to attempt to design and run worthwhile tests to research the extent of its efficacy, they would have to be not only trained in the theoretical side of the subject, but also have considerable experience in the practical application of it on a wide range of different individuals. Without being a hypnotherapist you might have no idea why, but believe me they would never be able to achieve what I can achieve in practice, so… what are they investigating? What scientists think you might be able to do with what they think is hypnotherapy, excluding all the expertise a real hypnotherapist would normally be bringing into the picture? Worthless! As I said in the book, that’s like trying to assess the value of a new and complex surgical procedure by getting ME to have a go at it!
This suggestion that we keep hearing trotted out again and again – that if you are ‘a scientist’ you are well-qualified to study anything – is quite laughable.
In fact what you are all arguing is equivalent to the suggestion that in order to solve crimes, you don’t have to be an experienced detective – you only need to be a scientist! Utter, utter rubbish.
Oh come on, Chris, that’s not the equivalent of what “we all” are arguing. You know that a scientist reviewing data doesn’t usually produce this data, so this crime-solving comparison is BS. A scientist might review the outcome of different “styles” of crime solving and find that one has a higher success-rate than the other, and I’d definitely argue you don’t need to be an experienced detective for that.
“a scientist reviewing data doesn’t usually produce this data,”
Sometimes they do, but even when they don’t, they do SELECT it. That is precisely the point at which subjectivity enters the picture, so this simplistic “don’t shoot the messenger” pose from Ernst is BS. The suggestion that scientists are somehow exempt from subjective flaws, aims or intentions is dangerous nonsense. Ernst is very definitely on the attack – it’s just that his supporters don’t mind that at all, they WANT him to be because it ‘backs’ their personal views.
As I say, the idea that a person who doesn’t have expert knowledge of hypnotherapy (for example) could head investigations into its efficacy without hypnotherapy experts on hand to help him with that when it comes to deciding which trials are well designed and which are inept is ridiculous. Maybe that doesn’t apply to all therapies but it certainly applies to hypnotherapy because there are so many subtle variables when it comes to the human mind.
Unfortunately, we hear this refrain from just about every practitioner of fringe “therapies” extant: You (scientists) can’t test it because you don’t understand it. If “understanding” equals “faith” in a therapy’s efficacy, then the proponents will never reach mutual ground.
I know next to nothing about hypnotherapy. I have heard from at least one fully medically trained practitioner (medical doctor specializing in psychiatry) that it can be helpful for some conditions for some individuals. He doesn’t use it very often, preferring CBT and ACT with his clients. Even there, devising RCTs to test efficacy is fraught with difficulty, since we’re dealing with people’s thoughts and feelings.
Doubtless the debate will rage on; meanwhile, at least some people are happy to report that they’ve been helped by activities the efficacy of which is difficult if not impossible to scientifically evaluate.
M.
Nothing to do with “faith”, Moochie. And isn’t it revealing that your idea of an expert on hypnotherapy is not a professional hypnotherapist who does nothing BUT hypnotherapy, but a medical doctor whose specialism is psychiatry (the treatment of mental illness, something private hypnotherapists do not treat anyway)… who “doesn’t use it very often”. With no disrespect to his/her genuine expertise in their own field, expertise and deep insight is not acquired by occasional use.
Scientists CAN test it, they just have to be experts in that field also OR have an expert on hand to advise as to appropriate methodologies. That is not asking for the moon, in fact I would regard that as a basic requirement if we are going to seriously investigate anything objectively.
Of course, if the only aim is to cast doubt on something or pour scorn on it then none of this is required.
Also, hypnotherapy isn’t a “fringe” therapy, it’s orthodox. It was formally recognised as a genuine form of therapy by the BMA in 1955, and in the following year by the American medical establishment too. So anyone dismissing it as “quackery” is quite wrong.
Actually, auto-suggestion (self-hypnosis) is something all human beings subject themselves to on a regular basis, they just don’t realise that they are doing that.
Personal attacks on Ernst are not helpful and do not do the CAM profession any favours. He is entitled to his opinion.
I do find certain research methods involving deception of participants (posing as a patient by email etc) more in keeping with a tabloid journalist than fine high quality research. It is shameful this is portrayed as worthwhile research. I would wonder being a professor and a medic whether he would employ the same tactics against general medicine. Then the stroke research. Ask a bunch of neurosurgeons have you ever seen a stroke in a patient after seeing a chiropractor? The data from that study is truely randomised and controlled and useful. Was it it Simon Singh who said the pleural of anecdote is not data?
But the CAM professions should be thankful as the increased scrutiny of the profession resulted in a population wide study in Canada where they actually looked at strokes following visiting a GP (look a control group!) and following a Chiropractor. The risks appaer to be the same.
The one benefit of being a profession under scrutiny is that it has made us go out and do the research and get the data to support what we do in daily practice and how we might do it better, that can only be a good thing.
I just think original studies would have been far better if done in co-operation between Peninsula medical School and the Complementary medical establishments, rather that second hand literature reviews where we can pick and choose what we include. Something both Ernst (anti) and Brontfort (pro) could be accused of.
With regard to Ernst needs to have been in practice of course its not necessary for research, its a stupid argument. We had neurophysiologists with PHD’s doing original research at Chiropractic college who had never been in practice either. I do think however open dialogue between CAM professions CAM researchers and Ernst would make for better research and future research design.
It is just shameful it has all become us and them, from those who have chosen caring professions and should be eagre to find the best and most effective ways of doing their job, and those who consider themselves skeptical, or free thinkers, but are in danger of just being bigotted.
@Eugene
“I do find certain research methods involving deception of participants (posing as a patient by email etc) more in keeping with a tabloid journalist than fine high quality research. It is shameful this is portrayed as worthwhile research.”
Which particular piece of Ernst’s research involved posing as a patient by email, etc and where was this portrayed as worthwhile research?
Just curious.