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It’s been a couple of years since I last felt compelled to add to this blog but that has changed in the fortnight since I was a victim of assault, criminal damage and theft at Speakers’ Corner on Wednesday, 13 September. That corner of Hyde Park is, of course, historically associated with free speech. The irony that I was assaulted for filming a group of people trying hard to close down the free speech of others isn’t lost on many who’ve commented already on the incident. You’ll find a list of blogs and articles at the bottom.
And in case I forget, I’d like to thank every person who has messaged, tweeted, commented and written their support for me. You have helped me to rise above it all and stay sane. Here are three videos showing what happened from different angles.
Readers familiar with this blog may be surprised to discover that the hundreds of people who apparently think I deserved to be beaten up aren’t all homeopaths. The overwhelming majority hate me because I wanted to hear from speakers with a different view on transgenderism. The accusation – which is repeated ad nauseum by trans activists – that if we don’t see things their way, if we are concerned with the implications of the proposed legislative changes on the lives of women and girls, if we criticise any part of trans ideology, then we are responsible for causing mental health problems, suicide attempts or the violence they suffer from other people, is so patently ludicrous that it isn’t really surprising that all they can do is shout, insult, gaslight and abuse. There is simply no danger of their ever making a coherent argument that can be taken half-seriously and, at some level, I think they know this.
For those who don’t know the story, a meeting about proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act was due to be held at the New Cross Learning Centre – opposite Goldsmiths University in South East London – that evening but after a bullying campaign (documented here) by people who just can’t bear the thought of anyone saying anything that might hurt their feelings, the Centre cancelled at very short notice.
The bullies celebrated what turned out to be a short-lived victory because a new venue in the centre of London was quickly found and Miranda Yardley – a transsexual who was due to speak at the event and who was the main reason I wanted to go – announced on Twitter that we would meet at Speakers’ Corner at 7pm and proceed to the venue from there. It was fully expected that some of the bullies would turn up and follow us to the venue but at least they wouldn’t be able to get there before us and try to intimidate people going in, as they had planned to do at New Cross, encouraged by a group called Action for Trans Health, London.
By the way, the original line-up of speakers had included Bex Stinson and someone else from Stonewall to present alternative views to those of Miranda and Dr Julia Long but they pulled out and, in spite of protestations that the discussion would be one-sided, nobody volunteered to replace them, so far as I know.
The reason this is worth mentioning is that a lot of people – including, for example, Jack Monroe – seemed to think the meeting was ‘trans exclusionary’ and don’t realise the original idea was to have a public debate that all would be welcome to. It’s the sort of thing we used to do in the days before bullying and intimidation of people with different opinions became normalised and applauded.
Then again, most of the trans activists and their supporters seem to take the view that the issues raised by transgenderism should not be discussed at all.
How are we to understand this other than, ‘We don’t give a shit about anyone but ourselves. Concerned about convicted rapists like Martin Ponting and child murderers like Ian Huntley identifying as women and demanding transfer to women’s prisons? Your concerns don’t matter, only ours do, so shut the fuck up!’?
Here are a couple of telling bits from a post that Goldsmiths Student Union President Eva Crossan Jory re-posted on her Facebook page:
Believe trans women are not valid people? How likely is it that Miranda believes that? As for being “forced to debate their existence” – what the hell does that even mean? The comment is typical of the kind of hyperbolic claptrap I’ve come to expect from those trans activists who want to silence people rather than engage with our concerns. This, together with their hateful, violent rhetoric, is what distinguishes them from the likes of Miranda Yardley, Rya Jones, Jenn Smith, Rikki Arundel, Blaire White and many other trans folk who are not so high profile, who simply want to be accepted and get on with their lives and who will most likely – through no fault of their own – suffer from the negative image that those campaigning on their behalf seem to rejoice in.
Suffice it to say that, having played her part in encouraging attempts to suppress women’s voices, Jory has said nothing to condemn what happened. I am reminded of a couple of years ago when the so-called ‘femsoc’ at Goldsmiths issued a statement supporting the Islamists at their college in their attempt to no-platform human rights campaigner Maryam Namazie who, unlike these nasty, entitled little brats, is a true feminist who puts the lot of them to shame.
How it started
Anyway, having only developed a strong interest in the issues around gender in the last six months or so, (the straw that broke the camel’s back for me being the horror of seeing the misogyny and hatred generated by trans activists and documented on the terf is a slur website), this was to be the first time I would attend a meeting on the subject and the first time I would meet anybody who’d been campaigning on it.
To cut a long story short, as we were hanging around at Speakers’ Corner waiting to go to the venue, Julia Long decided to entertain us with a song. Someone handed her a megaphone. I got my camera out in readiness to film her. The bullies, some of whom had already been heard to shout “Kill all Terfs” and were now watching from a short distance away, probably thought she was going to make a speech. And, of course, it was imperative that, as someone who dissented from their self-righteous and unsupportable point of view, she should not be heard! Thus, the moment she put the megaphone to her lips, they started to chant, “WHEN THE TERFS ATTACK, WE FIGHT BACK!” over and over as loud as they could.
With respect to Julia, I thought footage of activists behaving like arseholes would be more interesting than her singing. So I turned my camera towards them and started filming as I walked over and stopped a few metres in front of them. Not one of them asked me not to film or raised any objection whatsoever to the fact that I was doing so. On the contrary, as can be seen in the videos linked to above, they boldly faced me and my camera and didn’t seem in the least bit bothered. They couldn’t have known and, I’m sure, wouldn’t have cared just how ridiculous I thought they were for deciding to shout that particular slogan at a group of peaceful women who’d just been hanging out and chatting in a park.
I couldn’t – and still can’t – understand what they perceived to be an “attack”. How is wanting to hold a meeting that – originally, at least – anybody was welcome to attend and voice their opinion at, an “attack”? What universe do these people exist in that they think it is noble and worthy to try to literally drown out other voices by shouting at the top of theirs and to go to such lengths to stop people expressing opinions and ideas rather than engaging with those opinions and ideas and trying to expose them as flawed using reason and evidence?
The attack on me
Still thinking I was filming people who might be civil and brave enough to engage with a straight question, I asked them, “Who is attacking who?” I repeated my question a few times as I filmed but it was a question that proved too taxing for any of them and only served to trigger one self-appointed hero to pull up his hood, make a run at me and try to knock the camera out of my hands to the ground.
Many hours later, I realised this was the same man – currently calling himself ‘Tara Flik Wood‘ aka Tara Wolf aka Tanis Wolf – who had earlier in the day asked on Facebook for the location of our meeting because he wanted to “fuck some terfs up”. A screenshot of this comment now appears in many places online. On this page, the screenshot shows that his comment was ‘loved’ by the Action for Trans Health London group, which is the group I hold primarily responsible for promoting the hatred and stirring up the feelings that led to the assault on me and who, unsurprisingly, archived all incriminating posts as soon as they learned what had transpired and replaced them with a risible statement, which included this sentence:
Oh, please! If it wasn’t male violence, what was it? And the assault on me helps their struggle how, exactly? I posted a question to this effect on their Facebook page but it was swiftly removed. (I don’t know why trans activists seem to find all my questions so difficult.) The last time I looked, their statement had also been archived and replaced with a fabricated story of an assault on one of their supporters after the meeting. This is now being widely shared on Facebook, thereby demonstrating there is no limit to how low they’ll go. Happily, the latest edition of the Sunday Times carries a piece by Joel Goodman entitled Trans group ATH ‘condones punching feminists’, which has been picked up and shared by other national dailies. They don’t seem best pleased and some of their blinkered supporters have complained to IPSO (Independent Press Standards Organisation) about it. Good luck with that.
What happened next
How dismayed must Tara Flik Wood aka Wolf have been to realise that, because my camera was attached to a loop around my wrist, not only had he failed to do what he set out to do when he took that run at me but that I had retrieved my camera and was continuing to film, now trying to get footage specifically of him so I could pass it to the police. (This has been presented as ‘shoving my camera in their faces’, ‘goading’, etc, by imbeciles commenting online. For a real example of goading and getting in someone’s face, look at the guy goading Julia in the second video above.)
From the personal safety aspect of a 60-year-old with osteoporosis and one who has learned to be pretty careful in my everyday life, this was a foolhardy act on my part and one which led to me being physically attacked by at least two of Tara Flik Wood aka Wolf’s mates, both of whom, by the way, were taller than me. But it was an act borne of shock and anger and of a lifetime of challenging bullying, misogyny and bigotry and I had – and still have – no reason to doubt that is exactly what this first strike against me by Tara Flik Wood aka Wolf was, what the subsequent physical assaults by others on me were and what the ongoing online hate expressed against me is. My anger and feelings of aggression from the moment I was attacked were so strong, I’ve since wondered if I’m really a man.
But, seriously, much has been made of the fact that I fought back instead of just meekly handing over my camera. When one of Tara Flik Wood aka Wolf’s partners in crime finally succeeded in wrestling the camera from me, I held on to him to stop him running off with it. When he threw it to the ground and I heard the crack of it breaking, I pulled his hood down to expose his face in the hope someone would get a picture. Contrary to the nonsense being spread online, at no time did I have him in a headlock! He struggled to get away but I held him tightly, he tried kicking and I kicked back. (I just love Magdalen Berns’ description that he seems to think he’s in a mosh pit!) I eventually lost my hold on him when Tara and his mate with the ponytail ran up and started thumping me. I ended up on the ground and they scuttled off like the pathetic cowards they are.
Just blame the victim
The victim-blaming began immediately. After picking myself up from the ground to find my camera had disappeared, I walked over to those activists remaining to demand its return. The sanctimonious twit, who I now know to be Ananya Jaidev, pictured right told me I shouldn’t have been filming without their permission. Seriously! Even some of her companions looked uncomfortable at that one. Later she followed us to the venue and stood outside shrieking at the top of her voice all evening, though as we were on an upper floor, she and her three or four mates failed to have much impact except on their own throats the next day, hopefully.
When I emerged from the building she was still there screeching like a Dalek on speed. For a while, I leaned against a lamppost and watched this raving hypocrite shout ‘shame on you’ and couldn’t help but laugh at the irony. Hate not debate? You got that right, love. Shame on us? For what? Does she have two brain cells to rub together and an iota of human decency? It seems not.
Similarly, this deluded fantasist – the same one who got right in Julia’s face as you can see in the video above – justified the assault on the grounds that ‘young people were committing suicide because of people like me’. I called bullshit and he went into full tantrum mode.
For pity’s sake – they knew absolutely nothing about me. They didn’t know that I’d once made a donation to a trans person’s surgery or that I’d recently sent my best wishes to another having cosmetic work done or that I’d spent a lot of time challenging real transphobes on youtube after the outing of transgendered reality star Zeke Smith on the American TV show Survivor..
As for this nasty little shit who said she was happy I was hit… I would so like a word with her mother – or whoever dragged her up – and who must be mortified.
In contrast, I couldn’t be prouder of my own daughter, a highly accomplished academic and a lesbian feminist. Only a few months ago she had made a comment to me that confirmed her support for certain things trans rights activists are campaigning for that I was beginning to have doubts about. I was hesitant to raise them because I didn’t want to disappoint her and, anyway, I was (and still am) unsure of my own position. After the attack, she was moved to post this on her Facebook page:
The Dudebros celebrate
Indeed, as the news spread, the online celebrations began. Here are a few examples of dozens of tweets I’ve seen. I’ve collected many, many screenshots of hateful tweets and I owe a debt of gratitude to others who do the same. I was going to put them on this site but I’ve decided to post them elsewhere on a separate site I’ve decided to build. Watch this space for a link. (Edited to add: Here it is.) Oh, and by the way, there are also people online who claim that it is “violence” and “bullying” not to pander to the delusion these guys share that they are women. Women in what sense, FFS?
They will be disappointed that injury-wise, I got off surprisingly likely and it occurred to me that the reason my assailants are confused about their gender is that they hit like girls – and I don’t mean girls like Nicola Adams.
Edited to add: By the way, I don’t know exactly why but Ada Cable, who is one of the dudebros I’ve honoured by including a screenshot of his tweet above, was interviewed by police in connection with the assault on me and I’ve decided to pay homage on a separate page here. Call it revenge.
Joss Prior – pants on fire
The day after the assault on me, a trans activist called Joss Prior got to work on his attempt at damage limitation with a technique I have since learned is called DARVO. Unaware that I had kept screenshots of the comments he refers to, which I have placed online here, he tweeted this blatant lie:
Once video footage of the incident became available he selected a few clips and promoted them with a narrative that I was the one goading the protestors rather than the other way around and that I basically provoked a fight with a bunch of young men half my age, got one of them in a headlock, pulled his hair and dog knows what else. This has since been further fictionalised by others who have me lifting him off the ground and tossing him around like a ragdoll, when he’s just a wee munchkin half my size. Love it!
This interpretation is nicely debunked frame by frame here: On Gaslighting and Trans Terrorism
Hilarious though Prior’s “Zapruder” interpretation is, it seems that hundreds of people believe it or are trying desperately hard to believe it or are at least trying to convince other people that it’s true. And while none of these people matter to me and most of them probably don’t matter much to anybody else, I am astonished to find that even people with quite high profiles are going along with it. Guardian columnist, Owen Jones, retweeted it to his over 730k followers. Fortunately for him, he deleted hia retweet before I had time to consult a solicitor. A tweet by rabid anti-feminist Brooke Magnanti to her 45k+ followers suggested she’d swallowed it hook, line and sinker. And she’d pre-emptively blocked me too. What an idiot.
A trans Liberal Democrat Councillor in Cambridge called Zoe O’Connell wrote a shameful blog, featuring an unpublished letter to the Times. Miranda Yardley takes it down very nicely here.
The latest example I’m aware of is this pile of manure from an NUS Officer called Jess Bradley, who also worked for Action for Trans Health, funnily enough.
People who are intelligent, decent and humane don’t like seeing other people behave like this nincompoop called Zack Ford, who is LGBTQ editor of some website and who tweeted this to his 13K+ followers.
But if he hadn’t tweeted it, I wouldn’t have seen all the wonderful responses, which were exactly what I needed a day or so after the attack.
Fortunately, most people who view the footage – including the police – take their blinkers off and engage their brains first.
By the way, my camera was later found with the memory card missing, which I believe is why they fought so hard to get the camera from me. It was quite a good camera but it was a write-off. The Mail on Sunday was the only paper to offer to cover the cost of it in exchange for a few pics and I was delighted at the thought of getting some money from a paper I detest. (By the way, could the very kind person who put a donation into my hand at the meeting after the assault, when I was still in shock, please get in touch so I can return it to you.)
At least the Mail had the decency to get my side of the story before publishing, unlike one Anoosh Chakelian of the New Statesman, who jumped the gun and very quickly put out a worthless piece showing her to be a crap journalist and a bit of a wally. I’m not linking to the piece, which has now changed slightly but I believe the original helped give rise to the widely circulated falsehood that the incident did not get reported to the police. It most certainly did. They arrived at the scene just after my assailants had fled. The whole incident is being investigated and the officer in charge has outlined how the investigation is expected to proceed. And that’s all I’m saying.
I’m not blaming the New Statesman for how the original falsehood got exaggerated or turned into whoppers like this one pictured right but I hope they’ve learned something about the importance of quality over speed in reporting stuff.
The Pink News website, of course, didn’t even try to contact me for my side of the story before publishing a peurile piece attempting to paint Action for Trans Health as an innocent party, while continuing the narrative of me as Superterf, putting blokes half my age in a headlock. How surreal is it that a mere 21 months ago, I commented for the first time on Pink News, beneath an article that reported some unpleasant comments about trans people made by Jeremy Clarkson. My comment was in response to someone who was defending him.
I still stand by what I said in that comment. Although I have seen and now experienced the ugly side of trans activism and the bigotry and sheer dishonesty of trans activists and their allies – including Pink News – it will take more than being physically attacked and virtually pummeled by gutless misogynistic thugs to crush my humanity.
But don’t push it.
Finally, I’d like to express my gratitude to Stonewall for their general condemnation of violence, three days after the assault. Unimpressed though many were with it, particularly as one of their officers, Shon Faye, had been busy helping to promote the trans cultist Superterf fantasy, the statement brought more hate and bigotry out of the trans activist closet, (including this disgusting series of tweets by “moth dad” explaining why statements condemning the violence are inappropriate) and all of it helps me in fighting them. Sorry, trans activists, if you’re just too stupid to see why.
Let’s see if my daughter can help you understand. Here’s a response she made to someone on Facebook who’d made a fairly obvious point Tara Flik Wood aka Wolf had failed to grasp when he declared his desire to “fuck some terfs up”.
Edited to add: Here’s a link to a short talk I gave about the incident in York on 8 November 017 We need to talk about the GRA
UPDATE: Tara Wolf has been charged with assault by beating. The trial will take place before a District Judge on 12/13 April 2018.
Blogs and other articles
This Is An All-Out Political War: The Gender Recognition Act and Beyond
Misogynist violence at Speakers-Corner
The battle over gender has turned bloody
Your allyship will not protect you
Historic Speaker’s Corner becomes site of anti-feminist silencing and violence
Timeline of transgender activists beating a woman in Hyde Park
‘Punch a TERF’ rhetoric encourages violence against women
Letter: Violence has no place in transgender debate
60-Year-Old Woman’s Face Beaten By Trans Activists Trying to Stop a Debate on Gender the Activists Had Already No-Platformed
Transgender Activist Assaults 60-Year-Old Woman At Gender Debate
If You Strike Them Down They Will Become More Powerful Than You Can Possibly Imagine
Scotland Yard refuse to assign a gender to suspects in transgender brawl that saw a woman beaten up – in case they get it wrong
Statement from Women’s Liberation Front
Speakers’ Corner and the failure of transgender activists and Stonewall to condemn male violence
Trans Caller Wants To Leave Country Thanks To Other Trans Activists’ Behaviour
Violence Against Gender Critical Women: From Hyde Park Corner to the Anarchist Bookfair
Miranda has a playlist of relevant videos
35 thoughts on “When vicious entitled thugs attack, I fight back!”
Name the problem. Male violence.
You are a very brave person and I admire you, keep up the good fight!
We know don’t we, that if you had your hubby there and he went right after them and pounded the *%^t out of them, there’d be front page news of the HERO saving little wifey.
Or , your 60 yr old hubby just got mugged after walking out of the bank, stuffing bills in his wallet, and Miss Psychedilic Tights charged and ripped his wallet out of your hands and struggled, and held him …. hubby, being a male, would be again,, front page hero.
Women are not allowed to defend themselves or their property. Next time please call for help.
Silly woman, you’re supposed to crumble.
You got way to close to their face with the camera. you were provoking a fight so you can act like the victim. I’m a cis girl and I think you’re a disgusting bigot and the reason why people say we play the victim. If you’re talking against trans women you’re talking against women period. If it was me and you put the camera so close to my face i would have fucking broke it and then maybe punched you too. Stop trying to play the victim when even in the video we can see you’re the initial shit starter. I’m a “real” woman like my trans sisters and I would have fucking punched you so hard.
Katie Miller said:
In the three videos of the incident, at what point was she ‘too close’?
Hey, Katie Miller,
You’re fooling nobody. You haven’t watched the videos, you haven’t read the blog, you’re almost certainly not female and you’re definitely not a feminist. You’re just another half-witted bully.
Read the fucking blog and look at the footage before posting ignorant comments, asshole.
I honestly hope that when you say ‘I’m a Cis Girl’ you mean you’re about 12- because otherwise there’s absolutely no excuse for your utterly revolting attitude. I actually almost hope you do lose it and assault someone as you threaten- and then get arrested and banged up for it as you’d quite rightly deserve. And maybe there’ll be a few newly ‘female’ (male) rapists locked up with you too if you’re very lucky. Honestly…
I really felt the need to leave another comment because I think it’s disgusting that you’re using your gender to be a bigot. We don’t need or want your help in the world of women until you can accept all of us. You can pretend like you’re in the right all you want but you’re just a fake feminist 60 year old woman using her gender to play the victim and harass young women who are already having a hard time. You’re 60 grow up, learn some empathy and compassion. Until then no one cares about your whiny bullshit. Those women you harassed and attacked with your camera are more woman than you’ll ever be. Women don’t use their gender to harass or be bigots. You make me ashamed of women. You make me ashamed of feminists. Grow the fuck up.
Saying you’d punch people who are oppressing you isn’t condoning violence against women. Both you and your daughter are out of touch bigots or fucking stupid because I’m a woman and i’d never get punched by them. Wanna know why? Because i’m not harassing them trying to start shit so they hit me and i can play the victim. You’re a disgrace to women and so is your child if she’s going to enable you to use this to further bully a group who you should be supporting. If you weren’t a fake feminist you’d get that but you’re a fake feminist that’s using it for your agenda.
Sounds like you care quite a lot to comment three times, Katie. Now, if you could just explain how I’m “oppressing” anyone?
As for “grow the fuck up”….just look at your comments, you silly child. Try putting a reasoned argument together instead of spitting the dummy.
Don’t call yourself a feminist. Make a new word for your movement because it doesn’t represent ours.
Right back at you. Women who decide to betray the struggles of generations of women, don’t get to define ‘feminism’. You sound like a dudebro anyway.
Katie. What you are doing is not in any way shape or form feminism, kid. You’re an embarrassment. You are promoting a very male agenda. Maybe one day you’ll realise that, if you actually are a woman, but you’ve really got some work and growing up to do first. I suggest you start with reading some female centred perspectives to understand why it’s important for women to be recognised as a sex, which is the main basis for our oppression. I won’t hold my breath.
“My anger and feelings of aggression from the moment I was attacked were so strong, I’ve since wondered if I’m really a man. Just kidding.”
That’s cool, Skepticat. Just don’t expect to be sent to the men’s prison if you ever get arrested… 🙂
Seriously, I think the key word here is “strong”. Your anger and feelings of aggression have made you strong to fight back, then and since. Whether that strength is a manly quality or a womanly quality I don’t know. But definitely a quality worth having.
I have enjoyed your writing for quite some time, Skepticat, and have only just realised that you are the woman on the receiving end of this thuggery. The line about wondering if you were a man tickled me.
I have seven brothers, so my socialisation as a child was probably rather different to that of many little girls. As well as being the basis for my instinctive rejection of stereotypes about gender and femininity, one consequence is that I react to physical aggression with equal aggression. It’s a characteristic I try to suppress, not because it has any bearing on my sense of womanhood, but because I try to be a decent human being, and violence isn’t part of that.
But since seeing the assault on you, I have wondered how these thugs in lipstick would cope with a girl who fights like a boy!
Many thanks for your refusal to be cowed by this, the popular narrative appears to be turning a blind eye to this form of male on female violence – nothing new there.
Thanks, Margaret. I too grew up in a family of boys as well as having trained in kickboxing. If only I’d had the camera smasher to myself, I’d have beaten him senseless.
What has been the outcome of this: court, charges, sentencing?
I’m not allowed to say anything about what’s happening with the police investigation. I will post an update when it’s over.
Update 25.01.18: Only one of the assailants has been caught so far. He has been charged with assault by beating.
I’m sorry for what happened to you. I don’t agree with your views at all, because I am a trans man and my dysphoria is a neurological condition, but nothing justify getting rape/death threats, and actually getting aggressed by people. Also, nothing justify people lying through their teeth to blame you. I hope you’ll get better on the psychological side because I feel like it was very traumatizing for you.
I think those women were very tired and hurt, that doesn’t excuse their behavior, but I saw a lot of time (and I’ve been like that too) victims of abuses being very aggressive toward their abusers. It’s a very understandable way to face abuse when it’s too much, even if it’s not a good one.
Whether you feel like you didn’t do anything or not, they might not agree, and they aren’t forcibly liars for that, everybody has a different way of experimenting life. I don’t know how goes the affair, and maybe they let their hatred making them appear very bad and dangerous even afterwards, and I’m also sorry for that.
My father who constantly belittled me never considered himself as an abuser, and still made permanent damage to my mental health. TERFs’ ideology hurts and abuse trans women and trans men. TERFs are responsible for American trans people to have less right to transition for example. They (technically, you, but I’m trying to stay general) are abusers, even if it’s “just hurting our feelings”, even if “it’s not the truth that trans women are women”, or I don’t know what you tell yourself to sleep better at night. It’s still abuse, it’s still oppression because you actually push buttons on people who have a serious condition.
How many times did I think about how my life was just wasted because I will be battling with phantom penis all my life and will always be treated as a “wannabe-male”, even if I do everything I can to make myself appear masculine/male. It happened today, it happened yesterday. This is why trans people suicide. Dysphoria is what I call a “brain pain” as much as it is a “emotional pain”, which can become unbearable some days when some people think it’s good to remind me that I’m female and always will be. You don’t tell anxious people who can’t go out of their houses because of anxiety, that they will never be able to do so because they will be always anxious. This is the same. Even if you think it’s the truth, even if it’s maybe the truth for some, it’s harmful to say those things. You encourage them to seek treatment, therapy, and try to be positive to what they try to make them feel better. Not at the expense of your own sanity/safety of course, but like with any people who has an chronic illness.
So please, you’re hurting actual human people who have lots to deal with already, even if you don’t understand how it is, as I’ve read your post on your other blog with the peak trans. People who are perceived female are oppressed by society, that means that trans men who don’t pass, cis women, interesex women and trans women that pass are like this. We are all in the same boat.
We surely oppress each others because of the conflict of genitals and sexuality, and the general trauma of anything related to penis from cis lesbians because of cis men. Trans women aren’t here to rape anyone, they just want to live their life and be accepted. I’ve been told to “die” and “get raped” too, by TERFs, for the sole reason that I was a transsex man, so really, there’s bad people in both sides.
You don’t deserve what happened to you, but I guess you symbolised something that hurt them, and felt the need to be violent to. Which is a thing I would think about.
Have a nice day.
As someone said on Twitter recently, no matter how hard trans people punch you, it’s always about the damage your face did to their fist.
“TERF” is misogynistic hate speech used to dehumanise women and dismiss our concerns. There is no “TERF ideology” – there is only opposition to trans ideology. You may not consider yourself an abuser but in using hate speech, in excusing others who do so and in promoting an ideology that hurts women and children, that is what you become.
And that is something you should think about. Have a nice day yourself.
TERF means “Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist”. This is not a slur, if you are a radical feminist who exclude trans people… Merely an acronym for a position you stand. That every Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist HAS. In the transgender community, there are many ways of seeing things, that aren’t “one” ideology.
Where am I using hate speech? Where am I excusing others who do so?
You react harshly to my comment which was quite civil, while I do question myself. In fact, I am on this website and I am reading what you said, and I learnt a lot about Radfem ideology in general, and I listened to many Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists who called me disgusting names for being who I am. I thought about it a lot. I have to think about it, since my whole existence seem to be wrong for some people.
It’s not because I acknowledge people’s difficulties in life and their hurt that I excuse their behavior. But I don’t make it a general rule for every people from that group, nor will I hate on them because of that. I also don’t blame you for what they did. You are obviously innocent from that fight, as they attacked you, which was unjustified and we (trans people) should be better than that. You shouldn’t have been through this, and I’m truly sorry that happened to you because dealing with trauma is hard and nobody needs that.
What they did was wrong, but what some radfem who exclude trans people and call them slurs (or misgender them), make sure to not allow them to live correctly and all, are also wrong. Some trans people will react badly to that, because it can become too much for one person to hold on so much hate on them. You hold a position of power upon us. So yes, some people do react to it in a violent way. Thinking why you might oppress someone somewhere is always a good thing.
“You may not consider yourself an abuser but in using hate speech, in excusing others who do so and in promoting an ideology that hurts women and children, that is what you become.”
I’m myself. I’m not an ideology. I have feelings and a life I try to live, just like anyone. Being gender dysphoric isn’t an ideology, it is a serious condition that needs treatment. I need treatment to function, I’m disabled in a sense because I will always have to rely on that treatment and other people’s kindness to be able to live correctly. This is not a position of power. This is a disability. Whether I identified as a woman or a man, I’d be feeling that dysphoria, and I’d need treatment for it. And any trans woman who has dysphoria feel the same way.
I’m not responsible for others people’s actions on their body, I’m not a political statement or anything, I am a human being that tries to find way to not having phantom pains everyday for the rest of his life. But I’m highly against disrespecting people because they are a part of an oppressed group. I’m highly against ostracizing some people because they are part of a more oppressed group.
My neurological condition affect in no way women or children. I would not recommend prepubescent children to transition either simply because clothes, make up whatever =/= trans. I’m pretty aware of that. And I don’t really get how my condition could hurt women honestly. It’s not the illness that makes people acting bad, it’s people just being jerks and/or reacting to systemic abuse. And it happens everywhere, not with specific people.
I can’t believe you expect me to do you the courtesy of reading your response when you begin it by “transplaining” the word ‘TERF’ which, as I pointed out is misogynistic hate speech. If you really can’t see the problem, this may help. http://www.peaktrans.org/terfs/
Random transsexman said:
The term is pejorative and used to smear and bully. It seeks to pull the rug out from under those who stand up for the rights of woman by invoking the notion they are ‘against’ something they are not. The implied premise is that they are against all trans folk for every and all possible reasons, real or imaginary. It seems to follow from this twisted logic that ‘TERFS’ want to exclude trans people from everything; that they want to take all human rights away from them; that they don’t care about trans people; that they are complicit in the discrimination against trans people and even that they are complicit in the tragic deaths of trans people. At least, that’s the narrative some trans activists want the media and society to hear.
The deficiencies of this fabricated position should be self-evident, but it looks like I will have to spell it out to you.
There are differing views on, for example, who should be allowed unfettered access to some women’s spaces. Those using the TERF smear say there should be absolutely no barriers to access for anyone (male or female) to any women’s space for any reason whatsoever – I hope you don’t need me to explain to you how that is a logical and inevitable consequence of the position of those who advocate, campaign and agitate for self-ID for all. They try to support this position by shouting that ‘trans women are women’ as if that was categorical fact that settles the matter and that cannot – and should not ever – be questioned. Any attempt to query it, they imply, explicitly means you must be transphobic. They will brook no dissent or questioning over this and seek to shut down any and all discussion or debate. They have even had some success in doing this. However, they commit a category error but they fail to notice it and, even when it is pointed out to them, it falls on deaf ears. They simply seek to shut down any debate – perhaps the more savvy ones do see their error, but still want to save face by not admitting it, trying to silence any discussion that might expose their threadbare argument.
There are certainly many transphobes in this world: many will keep their vile views to themselves, but sadly and tragically, many are not content with that and want to proclaim their hatred out loud and want others to join their (as they see it) righteous band in actively discriminating against any and all trans people.
Those feminists that trans activists are denouncing as TERFS are not of that tribe: they do not have that hatred on trans people. They would not want to be associated with those vile transphobic views.
But what they have is a concern for women: the clue is in the F of ‘TERF’. They have a concern that males will enjoy free and unfettered access to places supposedly safe for women and girls: safe from males – and I hope I don’t need to explain to you why they are, sadly, necessary. This is not transphobia and it is not about trans women: it is about males who choose to self-identify as a woman destroying those safe spaces. Without suitable safeguards, this is a disaster for women. How radical do you think that is?
What these so-called TERFS want to do is to discuss these issues – there really is a discussion to be had here. They want that discussion, yet, in seeking to tarnish them with that label and associate them with the real, vile transphobes, you insult them, you slur them, you denigrate them, you silence them, you dismiss them and their views and concerns.
How misogynistic is that? Just ask any woman: they’ve been putting up with this abusive crap for centuries.
What a self-centered, ridiculous wall of text, “Random transsexman.”
No one thinks you are a man, either. Not men, not gay men, not other lesbians, even if they claim to your face that they believe you’re a man.
Also, I’m sorry I’m making a second and promise, last post, because you wouldn’t want trans people on your posts ahah… I’m trying to keep it short so you will understand what I’m saying since apparently lenght is hard to read for you.
This comment explain exactly what I was talking about with pushing buttons. Inducing anxiety to people is an abusive tactic to scare and destroy self esteem, which can lead, to depression (also paranoia) and suicidal ideation. Just saying.
So yes, you might not do it, Skepticat, and cool for you if you don’t. But you can see that it’s not the case of everyone. You can see why some trans people are mad. Even if it ABSOLUTELY doesn’t give them the right to take it on you of course.
Thank you for being such a beautiful example Josh.
Good bye!!! ;D
The link you gave doesn’t take in consideration the fact that Janice Raymond, a very well known Radfem, excluded trans people from accessing American health care (source http://theterfs.com/terfs-trans-healthcare/ ).
The exclusion doesn’t only stand for housing and such, but feminism in general. Many people in radfem community wants to just “drop the T”, so the link of the website is not related to what we’re discussing (aka feminism). Radfem community that exclude trans people from their feminism actively harm us also by spreading lies about trans people in general and many other things, but I think you’re aware. Their feminism is exclusionary of people, that’s what the word is about, I don’t see how something that depicts the truth can be mysoginistic. I’d call men TERFs if they were allowed in the Radfem community too. They aren’t as vocal about it as you are. So we just call them transphobic.
So hum. 🙂 But I’m not very surprised in the end.
I can’t choose to be trans, but you can certainly choose to be in an echo chamber all your life. If it allows you to sleep peacefully at night, then nice for you. Also your website would gain to allow to make different paragraphs, because it sure seems like a wall of text.
Anyway, good continuation.
For Josh Slocum, you use an ad hominem argument. It doesn’t work and it doesn’t give you any credibility, sorry. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You seriously think that Janice Raymond, *one* woman, has the power to stop trans people from getting transition care throughout the whole of the USA? Was she the President or something? The USA is a democracy and for a law to be based it has to be agreed on by many people within the legislature. The most Raymond could do is make recommendations or give evidence to the legislature, it’s still up to them, most of whom are men, to decide whether to believe her.
What you and that “the terfs” website have done here is to apply the first ruls of misogyny, “women are responsible for what men do”, to pretend that Raymond is responsible for what the majority-male US legislature has done.
I see you. I see your misogyny.
Your use of the word ‘TERF’ proves the point that it is used against ANYONE who disagrees with ANYTHING promoted by transgenderism. You say TERFs told you to get raped – bullshit! Anyone who says that obviously isn’t a feminist and nobody identifies as a TERF and but you insist on using it. You say you would use it against men. It is already used against men – including transgender males like Jenn Smith and Miranda Yardley because they refuse to buy into the misogyny of the trans cult. It’s a label designed to dismiss women and men alike and refusing to engage with the arguments and it is as meaningless as the word ‘transphobe’ has become. Save your hate for the real transphobes – the ones saying they want to beat and kill transwomen – not for women who support human rights for all but who are threatened and punched for not being prepared to betray the struggles of generations of women.
What has Janice Raymond got to do with an attack by three male thugs on an unknown 60-year-old woman with no history of campaigning on trans issues because she was filming a public protest in a tourist area in London – an attack celebrated by thousands of trans people? NOTHING. Yet still you come here and whinge and insult her because she’s expressing her opinions that hurt your feelings. Go and attack your real enemy, bigot!
TERF is the new ‘bitch’ it isn’t ‘quite civil’ to tell a victim of a violent assault that they are an abuser, which is what you did.
I’ve just found this site. Thanks for all you do!